Testing Cheap Epoxies $169 VS $309

Hey everyone it's Dylan from the Black Forest 
Wood Company we're back again me and Charlie for   another week here in the shop uh we've got 
something a little bit different this week   right in front of me here i've got three different 
kinds of epoxy so starting on the left is the   cheapest epoxy we could find and then all the way 
to the right the most expensive out of the three   is our epoxy and what we're going to do is we're 
going to pour all three of these resins in the   exact same way with the exact same piece of 
wood we'll cut from the same slab at least   same thickness we're basically going to try 
and replicate the conditions for all three   and we're going to see how they pour and how 
they how they come out so to give you guys some   pricing for reference on what we're working with 
here i'm going to break the pricing down into a   dollar per litre uh that's usually how we price 
things out when we're trying to compare epoxy   so the Gorillapoxy on the left there works out 
to 26 and 15 cents a litre the pourable plastic   worked out to 29.94 liter usually the smaller 
containers you'll end up paying more per liter   and you'll see that with our resin so this is 
a 7.5 liter kit it is 41 a liter that it works   out to so more expensive than the other two for 
sure but we're going to compare and see how they   how they perform one thing to add i guess with 
our resin if you were to buy a 30 liter kit   your cost is about 33 bucks a liter so you 
get it down a lot closer to these epoxies   but obviously you need a use for 30 liters so it 
would require that if not you are going to pay   more but let's jump right into this we'll mix this 
up and we'll see how they we'll see how they work   right charlie all right so for these pours here 
uh for our test pieces with these epoxy brands   um we're actually going to use our offcuts 
and that is a question that we get all the   time is what do we do with our offcuts so this 
is kind of like our off cut corner i guess and   we end up recycling all of it and 
putting it in the store eventually   but we can also pick from here if we're making art 
pieces coffee tables anything kind of smaller so   picking from our off cuts we need one that's long 
enough to get all three of our 18 inch pieces so I think we need like 54 inches in total   that should be plenty long enough there so we'll 
grab that guy out and we'll chop it into three all right so what I'm doing here now I'm 
just ripping these down a little narrower   just so that there's a little bit 
more room for epoxy in the bowl   since we are trying to test how the epoxy cures 
here I'm gonna cut this down a little smaller   than I usually would so it might look like 
a lot of epoxy but that's just for the test so then we're going to do our same debarking 
process that we always do which starts with   using a draw knife for the bigger pieces of 
bark and then a wire wheel afterwards to clean   off the cambium reason we do this is because if 
you don't remove the bark or even the cambium   like you can really see it on here this this 
thin layer here this is the cambium that's what   i'm talking about if you don't remove that the 
epoxy will bond to this layer and not to the wood   because this this layer is actually really good 
at stopping epoxy from soaking through so then   you have the chance of your table being able to 
separate if you don't clean all that off so that's   that's why we do this alright, so then in front 
of me here I have got three of our reusable epoxy   forms these things have been a huge huge hit we 
released them i think like two or three weeks ago   we've already sold hundreds of them literally 
hundreds i think we have like 100 in pre-order   um that for the order that just showed up today 
so tim is going to be very busy shipping all those   out we also sell pre-cut pieces of wood that 
fit the different size of forms we have so if   you're making your own piece uh they're really 
convenient for that but today we're actually   just going to use them for our test so here we go 
we've got our three pieces this one has a little   bit less epoxy in it than the other two but for 
for testing um for for this test more so what's   going to make a difference is the thickness and 
all three of these pieces are the same thickness   when you're pouring epoxy well what you need to be 
careful of is the surface area to volume ratio so   here we have obviously less surface area 
but there's less volume and then here   with the increased volume we're also getting 
increased surface area so it kind of compensates   for that increased volume and it's not going 
to make it heat up any more on this pour   than it would on that pore what 
we're going to be testing today   we have three different brands of epoxy and we 
basically tried to find the cheapest epoxy that   we could some of it i don't even think ended 
up being all that cheap it was still kind of   expensive i think this gorilla epoxy was a little 
bit more expensive this stuff was super cheap   it's called portable plastic two to one mixture 
says good for pores up to two inches thick and   this one was kind of weird because on the amazon 
page it said it was good for pores up to two   inches thick when we looked at it but on here it's 
saying it's good for pores it says max thickness   an inch to inch and a half so i don't i don't know 
which one it is if it's an inch or inch and a half   but we are going to be pouring it in here 
today so it's a little thicker than what   would be recommended i think for this product 
but we do that with our product all the time and   we're actually going to be doing it here today 
because these are thicker than two inches thick   and we're pretty confident that our product 
will have no problem but we will see how these   these other epoxies perform so i'm kind of 
biased i'm probably going to pick the one   well i was going to say i'd pick the nicest 
piece with our resin but then i feel like you   guys would say i'm picking the one with the least 
epoxy for our resin so i'm going to pick the one   with the most epoxy for even though it doesn't 
make that much of a difference for our resin   these are about the same let's go with 
this guy here it's got a little bit more   that'll really put ours to the test and then 
the other two will be for the other brands   final step that we need to do before mixing our 
epoxy is actually clamp all these pieces down i   found with these reusable forms you can actually 
get away with just one clamp on either end there   was also actually going to be a third resin 
competing in this uh in these tests it's dr crafty   dr crafty's resins i believe it is and we ordered 
it off amazon it shipped it was supposed to ship   directly from their warehouse i believe it never 
showed up we got a hold of the company let them   know that we didn't get it they acknowledged that 
we then let them know that we wanted to use their   product in a review online and we never heard 
anything from them we never got resin we never   got a refund so can't really stand behind 
those guys we would have loved to try it but   we never got the resin or a refund to let you guys 
know all right so first off here we've got our   pourable plastic that we're going to try um 
i'm just gonna open this up so that is our   resin yep and then this is our hardener i think 
this might actually be the exact amount that we   need we're doing six liters of each product so 
it's pretty small pour it's not really a dining   table size pour or even a coffee table size pour 
but it should give us an idea of how they react   now with any epoxy before like if you're doing it 
in a production setting and you know you're going   to make the switch to a certain brand i would do 
all sorts of tests you know i wouldn't just do a   small test like this and then decide to buy like a 
600 liter barrel kit do something small then maybe   buy a 30 liter kit try and do a test and then 
if you're going to move into bigger quantities   do it after that so let's start with our resin 
in here we need four liters of this stuff uh the viscosity seems okay seems relatively 
thin maybe a little thicker than our product but   not bad the colour is good 
there's good clarity in this,   okay so it's only 36 to 48 hours to cure so that's 
really quick I will be impressed with this product   if it can pour thick with no issues that quickly 
it wasn't quite a full four litres either so   we're just going to dump the full contents of each 
hardener is definitely a lot thinner so now we've   got our pp our portable plastic now we've got 
our GP our Gorillapoxy what kind of a g is this GP and we'll do our six litres so we've 
got our a to b two to one this is the a   so four liters of this pretty similar viscosity to 
the other product so i don't know if you guys can   see that but this does have a little bit different 
hue to it um we need a little bit more as well   so we've got our two mixtures set in the 
buckets and now we're just going to mix them up   see how they mix and we do have a degassing 
chamber but we're not going to degas   any of these epoxies just because most people 
at home aren't going to have a degassing   chamber so we just kind of want to make it 
as realistic as we can so first thing i'm   noticing here kind of right away that i just 
put a mask on just because of the smell um   is this stuff is definitely thicker uh it's 
not mixing quite as easy as the pp the portable   plastic um and it's got a little bit of like a 
bluish purple hue to it i don't know if you guys   can see that okay so one thing i'm noticing here 
on the gorilla epoxy as well as it's got a cure   time of 96 to 120 hours so that's a lot more 
similar to our product um i would think that's   a benefit for that product it should stop it 
from overheating but we'll see how it works   so first up is our pourable 
plastic see how this goes now we're doing our resin black forest deep I hope it's gonna be enough all right and then finally this is the gorilla 
epoxy so we got all three of those poured in   we will wait now see how they cure up i'm gonna 
come in here every little bit and check the   temperature with the gun probably just record 
something on my phone if anything crazy happens   um they're all at about the same level we've got 
almost the same amount of epoxy in these so we'll   see how they turn out so we are going to use a 
fan on these um we are pushing the products you   know slightly past what their their labels say and 
most people will have a fan at home and we would   definitely even for our resin we'd recommend a fan 
at this thickness so we will turn the fan on all   three of them should be pretty equal and we'll see 
how they fare so another thing i thought i should   mention here just so you guys realize is i did not 
take that much care in making sure that there was   no particles of dust in here uh we're mostly just 
seeing how the epoxies react so like in this one   the pp1 like there's little specks of dust in 
there those aren't imperfections in the epoxy   same thing in ours we got little black specks 
um lots of different chunks in there and   this one's hard to see because there's 
lots of bubbles in it but there is   small little imperfections um but 
that i guess actually might help   us see which one's more clear whichever one 
you can see the imperfections better maybe   okay so it's the next day after pours here with 
charlie we're gonna inspect see how they look so this is the pourable plastic it's at 22 that's 
pretty good let's check for how cured it is   and it's still quite soft as well 
then we've got our resin here   we're sitting at 21 22 degrees let's 
check it it's still quite soft as well   and then we've got the gorilla epoxy um lots of 
bubbles i don't know if you guys can see that   after we de-mould these we'll shine a 
light through them so you can really see   and let me check the temperature on this 
one for you guys about 22.

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Still pretty soft   okay so one other thing I want to mention too all 
of these resins are also getting the benefit of   our aluminum cooled table so that's going to 
make a big difference as well but actually,   these all look not too bad right now not too 
bad but we're still pretty early into the cure all right so it is monday uh we did these 
pours on wednesday so it's been five days   now since we've done them and everything is hard 
enough now at this point to take out of the mold   um so nothing's really changed too much since the 
last time that i showed you guys just besides the   hardness uh pourable plastic has tons of bubbles 
unfortunately didn't crack didn't really overheat   too too bad there's not shrinkage but there is 
lots of bubbles then we've got our black forest   resins um really clear we got a few bubbles just 
right down here i think that's like our worst spot   but overall looks really really good finally 
the gorillapoxy not too bad honestly i was   impressed by this one i thought it was going 
to perform worse than it did because it's   only rated to an inch to an inch and a half 
there is still a few bubbles on the inside but   overall not too bad another thing that you guys 
probably noticed watching this is that our resin   is actually the most yellow i guess out of the 
three um this resin is pretty old we've had it   in our totes for about eight months but one thing 
we do know is our resin is formulated with the   very high amount of uv inhibitors so this will 
never get any more yellow than it is right now   and when it's demolded out here it's going to 
look crystal clear like glass we can't prove   this but we do kind of have an inkling that 
the other epoxies we used like this one here   they have some kind of dye maybe already added 
in to kind of negate any chance of yellowing   maybe they don't but it almost kind of looks like 
these products are just ever so slightly tinted   so that if any yellowing does happen that negates 
it now with that being said we don't ever really   recommend doing crystal clear pores because any 
epoxy product will yellow to some extent over a   long period of time like when i said ours is not 
going to get any more yellow than this i mean   within the next 10 to 15 years but beyond that 
it's a plastic product there's absolutely a chance   it could yellow same goes for any of these epoxies 
uh it just the difference is how long that's gonna   take depending on how many uv inhibitors are in 
there um so regardless i would just put a couple   drops of black dye tint it ever so slightly and 
then you're never even gonna see that yellowing   so now finally what we're going to do before 
we de-mold we're going to use our durometer   and we're going to check the hardness on these 
so this product had a cure time of 36 to 48 hours   our product has a cure time of five to 
seven days so maybe not quite fully cured   and then the gorilla epoxy had a care time 
of four to five days so it should be good   so that's kind of interesting we have three 
different cure times but they're all at about the   same hardness right now definitely none of them 
are what i would expect to be full hardness like   for this being a 36 to 48 hour cure time i would 
expect more than a 0.78 hardness i would expect   at least like a 0.8 from that ours in about a week 
from now will probably be at about .85 that's the   maximum hardness it gets to and then this one um 
i would expect it to get harder because you should   have at least point eight for a tabletop epoxy 
um but we'll check in a few days and find out all right so we've got some dust on the bottom 
but we knew that was going to be in there pretty darn good you know let's very very clear pretty impressed with this overall   actually really really really 
happy like look in the edge yeah that's you can see completely to the other 
corner really yep I can like see my fingerprints   through the epoxy that is kind of crazy just 
how clear this one is that's really impressive   so that one was ours that's ours 
yeah now we'll go for the PP wow okay so now you guys can really kind 
of see those bubbles put my hand behind it   can you see it then we'll take an edge look yeah so definitely a lot more bubbles in this 
one um I'm not sure but this possibly could   be avoided with degassing on some of these 
but again we didn't degas anything here so   this is naturally how our resins look we 
still usually degas our resin um honestly   we usually get more bubbles than this on 
when we do like a big table pour I'm super,   super impressed at how clear this one came out 
but degassing on the big pores still can help   so then we'll finally we'll 
move on to the gorilla epoxy you can see him more now there's like five or six 
bubbles maybe there's a few   i don't know why this is red what that's so weird okay well that's something where we learned 
for some reason the gorillapoxy turns red   um so that that was really really strange there 
what you guys just saw we turned the lights off   shine the flashlight in and the gorillapoxy turns 
red when you shine a light in um so i would say   that's kind of an indication that almost for 
sure there's some kind of dye in there or   or something um but i don't know why it would 
turn it red that that is a new one to me   okay so that that was definitely kind 
of interesting to see all those cured up   in the beginning we thought that we're like oh 
my god what have we got ourselves into these   other two resins are looking great um they're 
going to be just as good as ours but it's it's   in that long term in the cure where things really 
make a difference so off the bat they looked okay   but now when we look at the cured 
pieces it's really really easy to   see the difference in quality in these resins 
at least what i'm figuring happened here is   that the less expensive resins generate a 
little bit more heat than our resin does   just a little bit and therefore it results 
in some air bubbles coming out of the wood   you can especially see it on the pourable plastic 
it's right on the end grain here of the wood where   it's exposed wood grain you can see all of those 
air bubbles actually kind of attach to the wood   so what happens is if your epoxy exceeds 
a certain temperature if it gets too warm   it'll actually start drawing the moisture out of 
the wood which is then released in the form of   air bubbles so that's why it's so so important to 
keep your epoxy cold which we were able to do with   ours generated no air bubbles crystal clear pour 
um let's do a charlie clarity test hey charlie   charlie come here come here come here okay he's 
not going for it um and then in the middle the   middle like those are probably the two extremes 
in the middle is the gorilla epoxy but again same   thing you guys can really see from the edge a lot 
of air bubbles in there um probably get away with   it if you're doing a metallic pour but anything 
clear you would definitely want to avoid that so   i hope you guys enjoyed this little comparison 
here you know i really want to make it clear our   goal here is not at all to slam these brands uh 
i actually think there's probably still a time   and a place for these epoxies if you're doing 
these super pigmented pours if it's something   for yourself and you're not so worried with 
perfection maybe it's worth it to save a little   bit of money but if you're like us you're 
perfectionist and you want everything to be   as good as it possibly can be it's pretty 
obvious that our resin is going to be the   best for that again no degassing there that's just 
the way it cures careful mixing careful pouring   um and it all works out quite well so i hope you 
guys enjoyed this comparison that we filmed here   charlie's freaking out because ben's at the 
door but yeah thank you guys let us know if you   want to see more videos like this give us some 
feedback on this and we'll catch you next week

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